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<title><![CDATA[Pharsea's Blog]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Ramblings of a traditionalist gay Catholic Platonist.]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[A lost person]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[I received the following email today:<br /><br /><br />You are a loathesome excuse for a Catholic, you pervert what is holy and twist it to fit your own scandalous view of the world.  Your "gay' mysteries of the Rosary are the most pathetic attempt to justify sodomy I have ever seen. <br /> <br /> <div style="margin-left:40px; ">http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pharseas.world/chaplet.html<br /> </div> <br /> It is people like you and your evil website <br /> <br /> <div style="margin-left:40px; ">http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pharseas.world/faithful.html<br /> </div> <br /> that I pray for God's wrath to come down on. The entire faggot culture has hoodwinked a weak society into accepting one man sticking his dick up another man's ass as normal behavoir. You and quite a few other corrupt "catholics" are trying to tell us that this sin crying out to heaven for vengeance is gift from God. 2000 years of Truth beg to differ<br />   <br />  I will judge and I will condemn for its people like you who have caused more souls to be lost through the workings of the evil one.  When you face Our Divine savior at the judgement seat there is a pretty good chance that he will utter three words "Depart from Me". <br /> <br /> <div style="margin-left:40px; ">http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pharseas.world/GoToHell.html<br /> </div> <br /> My own salvation I am not sure either of but I have not yet tried to convince myself to call that which is evil, holy and that which is sin, virtue. You are a lost person<br />   <br />                          "Steve Montemurro" &lt;smonte19@hotmail.com&gt;]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:37:13 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Saint George of Cappodocia, the patron saint of England]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[<h5> Saint George of Cappodocia</h5> Nothing whatsoever can be established about St. George as a historical figure. Nethertheless, no one reading early texts about George can fail to notice their homoeroticism. George at one stage is about to marry, but is prevented by Christ: <blockquote><font color="#009900">"[George] did not know that Christ was keeping him as a pure virginal <strong>bridegroom</strong> for himself".</font> <br /><font color="#006600">[E.W. Budge: "The Martyrdom and Miracles of St. George of Cappodocia": The Coptic Texts,</font> <font color="#006600">(London: D. Nutt, 1888)  page 282]</font></blockquote> Later on Christ welcomes George into Heaven with bridal imagery: - <blockquote><font color="#009900">"And the Lord said to the blessed George, Hail, My George! Hail beloved of myself and of My Angels …. I swear by My right hand, Oh my beloved one that I will establish a covenant with thee that when thou shalt bow thyself upon thy spiritual face in heaven and shall come with all they congregation to worship the holy Trinity, all the saints know thee by reason of the honour which I will show thee, O My beloved… "</font> <br /><font color="#006600">[E.W. Budge: "The Martyrdom and Miracles of St. George of Cappodocia": The Coptic Texts,</font> <font color="#006600">(London: D. Nutt, 1888)  320-21]</font></blockquote> In these texts, here from Coptic versions, George is presented as the bridegroom of Christ. Bridal imagery is quite common in discourse about Christ, but usually male saints are made into "brides of Christ", but with George homo-gender marital imagery is used.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:21:08 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[A little bit of Heaven on Earth]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Today is a big day at Farnborough Abbey.  It is the 200th Anniversary of the birth of the "French Emperor Napoleon III". There is to be a solemn high Old Rite Mass at 11:00.  It's due to start as I right this.<br />   <br />   I decided to avoid the Imperial Spendour and instead went to a "low dialogue missa cantata" at 8:30.  I hate to think how many rubrics and "traditions" the visiting French priest infringed as he celebrated without a server, but the congregation singing the ordinary and joining in with the Pater Noster. I don't care. The liturgy was beautiful. The priest had a delicacy of touch that transformed the rite from a merely human act to one redolant of the divine.<br />   <br />   I'm sure that the difference between his gracious style of celebration and the mechanistic, legalistic and militaristic style propogated by the LMS, FSSP and others is only a matter of split-second timings and smoothness of motion, but somehow it makes all the difference. One feels involved in the action. One feels that God is present. Heaven is close. Even without secondary ceremonial like incense and candles - which I'm very much in favour of! - the ritual becomes beautiful and mediates transcendant reality.<br />   <br />   The silent canon is especially important.  At the pulsating heart of the liturgy is God's secret initiative - nothing of man is present here; save the God-Man, Messiah Jesus - acting in His Church and through His priest. The Divine Logos leaps down as Fire from Heaven and in silence and with ultimate delicacy bursts into the mundane.<br />   <br />   <div style="margin-left:40px; "><strong>Let all mortal flesh keep silence,</strong><br /><strong>and with fear and trembling stand;</strong><br /><strong>ponder nothing earthly minded,</strong><br /><strong>for with blessing in his hand</strong><br /><strong>Christ our God to earth descendeth,</strong><br /><strong>our full homage to demand.</strong><br /><br /> <strong>King of kings, yet born of Mary,</strong><br /><strong>as of old on earth he stood,</strong><br /><strong>Lord of lords in human vesture,</strong><br /><strong>in the Body and the Blood</strong><br /><strong>he will give to all the faithful</strong><br /><strong>his own self for heavenly food.</strong><br /><strong></strong><br />   <strong> Rank on rank the host of heaven</strong><br /><strong>spreads its vanguard on the way,</strong><br /><strong>as the Light of Light descendeth</strong><br /><strong>from the realms of endless day,</strong><br /><strong>that the powers of hell may vanish</strong><br /><strong>as the darkness clears away.</strong><br /><strong></strong><br />   <strong> At his feet the six-winged seraph;</strong><br /><strong>cherubim with sleepless eye,</strong><br /><strong>veil their faces to the Presence,</strong><br /><strong>as with ceaseless voice they cry,</strong><br /><strong>"Alleluia, alleluia!</strong><br /><strong>Alleluia, Lord Most High!"<br />   [</strong><strong>Liturgy of Saint James (fifth century)]<br />   <br />   </strong></div>   <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/spwcPxux740&amp;hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425" allowScriptAccess="none"><br />This is what the Ancient Roman Rite [as also the other traditional liteurgies] is capable of delivering, when the priest is well grounded in its spirituality and has a feel for its potentail. It is not any kind of "school lesson", it is not primarily cerebral - it is more a dialogue of Divine love.<br />   <br />   When I have experienced a liturgy like this it "sets me up" for a month. My heart rejoices and my mind is refreshed. Tears of joy run down my face.<br />   </embed>]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[The depths to which Catholic Catechesis has fallen]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[<center> <h1> <u>How Low Can You Go?</u></h1></center>  <center> <h3> The depths to which Catholic Catechesis has fallen</h3></center>  <h3> <u>Sunday</u></h3> On Sunday morning [the second in Eastertide, 2008] I was snowed in. Hence I could not travel to Mass at Farnborough Abbey. Hence that evening I had to satisfy my obligation to attend Mass by attending my local parish Church - St Bede's, Basingstoke. Mgr Vincent Harvey presided at the typically casual and irreverent event - I was going to write "spectacle", but really it was so dull, tedious and uninspiring that it couldn't possibly justify such an epithet. The most remarkable aspect of the performance was the enthusiastic singing of Mgr Harvey [the Vicar General of the Diocese], who seemed to fancy his distinctive vocal talents. <p>Never mind! As modern liturgies go it was "all-right" - in the sense that (by modern norms) there were no obvious "abuses" - not that I tried to check for any! I was trying very hard to pay as little attention as possible to what Mgr Harvey was getting up to, so as to mind my blood pressure. Oh, sorry, I'm wrong. I'd forgotten that changing texts from the published norm still counts as an abuse. I can't be certain (because I wasn't following what Mgr Harvey was saying in a missal) but I'm pretty sure that he deviated significantly [in favour of "political correctness"] from the official text of the eucharistic preface. Of course, there was nothing "any good" about the liturgy either. It was conducted in an off-hand, slovenly and casual manner. Every attempt was made to emphasize aspects - such as the offertory and peace - that are (at best) of secondary importance and to de-emphasize the central act of Eucharistic Offering. </p><p>Enough! My business today is not to critique Mgr Harvey's liturgical ineptitude, but to discuss Catholic catechesis. Hence, on to his sermon. </p><ul> <li> <strong>It was suggested that we should "pray with Jesus" - not "to Jesus", but "with Jesus".</strong></li>  <ul> <li> Now, this is not an absolutely wrong idea; but in the way it was put across it definitely gave the impression that:</li>  <ul> <li> "Jesus is a human being just like us" and</li>  <li> "Jesus has a relationship with God just like ours".</li>  <li> These two propositions are - of course - heretical.</li> </ul>  <li> I am not aware of anywhere in the New Testament where it is suggested that Christians do did or should "pray with Jesus".</li>  <ul> <li> When He gave us his model prayer, He said "when you pray" not "when we pray".</li>  <li> In the Garden of Gethsemane He said "Sit here, while I go yonder and pray."</li> </ul> </ul>  <li> <strong>The "consecrated elements" were referred to as the "bread and wine of life".</strong></li>  <ul> <li> No where in scripture (still less, Catholic/Orthodox Tradition) are the contents of the consecrated chalice referred to as "the wine of life".</li>  <li> The consecrated bread is only so referred to because Jesus called Himself [not the eucharistic bread after consecration] "The Bread of Life".</li> </ul>  <li> <strong>It was stated that in our Eucharistic practice we discover God in each other, just like we discover God in our secular dealings.</strong></li>  <ul> <li> No clear distinction was made between Christian fellowship and worldly society.</li>  <li> No mention was made of either the Sacramental or the Sacrificial nature of the Eucharist.</li>  <li> No mention was made of the fact that in the Eucharist we meet God objectively and transcendentally; in a way that is of an entirely different order than we encounter God in our day-to-day affairs.</li>  <li> What was said could best be understood in terms of "the sign of peace" being the essential part and focus and summit of the Mass.</li> </ul>  <li> <strong>It was stated that in our practice of the Eucharist we should not reflect on God's glory or on the gift that is received or anything of this kind, but rather - as soon as communion has been received - we should hurry out of the church to get involved, once more, in the troubles of the world; just as the two disciples hurried from Emmaus back to Jerusalem.</strong></li>  <ul> <li> It was suggested that the fact the the Mass does not terminate with the communion of the laity - and with them exiting the church immediately after receiving communion was a bad thing and a defect in the present celebration of the Mass.</li>  <li> Now - rightly or wrongly, I believe that in point of fact, the ancient practice was to terminate the Eucharist with the communion of the faithful, with no concluding blessing or prayers of any kind; but this does not mean that the laity scarpered as soon as they had received communion!</li>  <li> Apart from anything else, it is highly plausible that they spent a good deal of time in conversation and general friendly interaction!</li> </ul> </ul> Clearly, this catechesis is at the very least seriously defective; arguably it is materially heretical. Note that it was being delivered by the Vicar General of the Diocese of Portsmouth: the priest who is the Bishop's deputy and so should be an exemplar of the presbyterial ministry! <p>It is precisely because of this kind of uncatholic catechesis and eucharistic praxis that I systematically absent myself from my own parish. As far as I can perceive reality, what goes on there is an entirely different religion - in spirit and in practice - from that which I profess and which is presented and practised at Farnborough Abbey. <br /> <u></u>  </p><h3> <u>Monday</u></h3> Yesterday I had the great pleasure of entertaining, G, the sixteen year old son of an old friend of mine, L. <p>I should first tell you a bit about G and his older brother, P, who is my godson. Both of them are/were students at St John Fisher School, Surrey; one of the best non-fee-paying Catholic schools in the country; where the conservative "Faith Movement" started and has a continuing influence. Both P and G attended many meetings of the "Faith Movement", have been to many years of "Religious Education" classes, and have attended Church in a "vibrant" Roman Catholic parish: "St William of York" where they must have heard about 300-800 sermons. </p><blockquote>P is a deeply spiritual young man. He is pretty committed to God and Jesus and the Catholic Religion. However, when I started to get to know him properly - about a year ago - it rapidly became clear that he knew almost nothing about Catholicism, or the Church or about being a Catholic - except in the most superficial terms. He was sure that he wanted to be a Catholic, but he had very little idea as to what he was supposed to believe about anything or how he was supposed to live his life - apart from generally "being nice". The only adequate phrase to describe his state of theological, spiritual and ethical formation (and this is no reflection on P as a person, who I have come to love and respect!) was "Pig Ignorance". <p>It is apparent that contemporary Catholic catechesis has entirely failed him. This is in spite of the fact that he is keen to understand and finds no difficulty in following my explanations of Catholic belief and practice, based on systematic philosophy, orthodox theology and reference to scripture. Under my occasional and irregular mentoring, he has come on leaps and bounds in his understanding of the Faith; but he still has a very long way to go - as do we all, of course! </p><p>This is a terrible indictment of contemporary Catholic catechesis. If it was going to "succeed" with any-one, it should have done so with P, but it hasn't. It hasn't even succeeded in making him the kind of "Catholic" that - I expect - the people delivering the catechesis would have liked him to become. P has a spiritual affinity for traditional worship, even though - until I could expose him to it - he had never known anything other than trendy, progressivist, happy-clappy, "Catholicism".</p></blockquote> Back to Monday and to G. <p>G is a very private person. He is a deep, clear and incisive thinker. He is - rightly - suspicious of any and all people that he perceives to be trying to influence him. It takes a good deal of effort - backed by a degree of integrity - to win his trust and friendship. He is, in my view, even more intelligent than P; having a command of English far beyond the norm for his age. When I first started to get to know him properly - about six months ago - he had just decided to give up on Catholicism. When I asked him why, he produced the following deeply troubling syllogism: </p><ul> <li> Major Premise:  The true religion [if there was such a thing] would make people happy.</li>  <li> Minor Premise:  Catholicism doesn't make people happy.</li>  <li> Conclusion:        Hence Catholicism is a false religion.</li> </ul> After hearing this from him (at the end of a long conversation ) I sought permission from his mother, L, to try to engage him in an informal reflective catechetical process, so as to encourage him to revise his view of the matter. She refused to encourage or envisage any such; on the basis that it was up to G to decide what he believed and it might do more harm to pressurize him than to "just leave him be". I was very upset with this decision, as I was pretty sure that G had never had a real chance to learn about Catholicism [even though he had been brought up in a "Catholic" family, listened to many "Catholic" sermons, received communion many times and attended a "Catholic" school for years] any more than had his brother, P. <p>Over the next few months I sought to win G's trust and friendship in various ways, without the help of his parents, and eventually did so. This process resulted in yesterday's meeting. </p><p>I asked him about his experience of "Religious Education" at his "good Catholic school". He replied that it was simply "worthless". </p><p>This did not surprise me, given the many long conversations I had had with his elder - and more "spiritual" - brother. </p><p>When I probed further, he explained that it was all about "What the adherents of various religions typically believed regarding 'issues'" and was focussed on "facts" rather than understanding. He explained that there was an opportunity for the students to say what they each "believed" too - but there was never any presentation of why some belief might be thought to be true, nor any systematic explanation or defence of the Catholic Faith. </p><p>When asked to name the sacraments, he listed the seven specified by Trent - but under their modern names. When asked to give an account of what he's been taught [not what he himself believed] about: </p><ul> <li><a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pharseas.world/Trinity.html"> "The Trinity"</a>, he produced a clear and unambiguous classical Sabellian account of the matter. This certainly did not surprise me, as I've heard the same thing from a number of Catholic and Protestant pulpits over the last few years.</li>  <li> <a href="GreatestLove.html"></a><a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pharseas.world/GreatestLove.html">"The Incarnation"</a>, he disclaimed any ability to do so whatsoever.</li>  <li> <a href="Eucharist.html"></a><a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pharseas.world/Eucharist.html">"The Eucharist"</a>, he gave a Zwinglian account in terms of a communal meal at which people receive some "blessed bread and wine" and think about and remember Jesus.</li>  <li> <a href="GoToHell.html"></a><a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pharseas.world/GoToHell.html">"Purgatory"</a>, he gave a pretty good - but naive - account, missing out any notion of <a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pharseas.world/FiresOfHell.html">"punishment"</a>.</li>  <li> <a href="DefinitionOfDoctrine.html"></a><a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pharseas.world/DefinitionOfDoctrine.html">"Infallibility"</a>, he said that he'd never even heard of it!</li> </ul> This after ten years of Catholic Religious Education! <p>I then spent a good deal of time explaining the first things about the Gospel and about Jesus' promise of "Eternal Life" and the "Resurrection" - all of which was pretty new to him. I tried to convince him that his syllogism failed because: </p><ul> <li> He had no real idea of what the Catholic Faith is, even though he'd supposedly been subject to systematic "indoctrination" for ten years or more!</li>  <li> The same went for most people who were supposed to be "Catholics" - including many of the Church's leaders.</li>  <li> Hence, the fact that what "passes for Catholicism" regularly doesn't make people happy doesn't mean that "real Catholicism" is a false religion.</li>  <li> It only means that the sociological entity "the contemporary Roman Catholic Church" is a very, very poor implementation of "the Ideal Holy, Orthodox, Apostolic and Evangelical Catholic Church of Christ".</li> </ul>  <h3> It makes me angry</h3> that those in charge of Catholic catechesis have allowed the situation to develop that deep thinking, spiritually minded, intelligent young people can emerge from what should have been a process of philosophical, theological and spiritual formation with no idea whatsoever of what the Gospel of Jesus is or of the history of the Church or of the content of Her Dogmatic teaching or of the relevance of it to their daily lives. <br /><h3> It makes me angry</h3>that these people will take no responsibility for the abject failure of their project to make the Church "relevant to the Modern World". <h3> It makes me angry</h3> that they will not reverse the "modernization" of the Church that has destroyed Her soul and rationale. <h3> It makes me angry</h3> that there is no opportunity for me to address this situation in the way that I know that I both want to and am able to do, simply because I am "too traditionalist" in my views. <br />   <center> <h2> This is the way that the Church dies, and it deserves to do so!</h2></center>  <center> <h3> <font color="#009900">"And will not God vindicate his elect, who cry to him day and night?</font></h3></center>  <center> <h3> <font color="#009900">Will he delay long over them?</font></h3></center>  <center> <h3> <font color="#009900">I tell you, he will vindicate them speedily.</font></h3></center>  <center> <h3> <font color="#009900">Nevertheless, when the Son of man comes, <strong>will he find faith on earth?</strong>"</font></h3></center>  <center> <h3> <font color="#006600">[Lk 8:7-8]</font></h3></center> <p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p>]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[From a fellow catholic who has just joined my Yahoo! group]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[I have just joined your group "Pharsea's World" and will tell you a little about myself.<br /><br /> I live in east London with my partner of nearly 26 years in a monogomuos gay relationship. I pray the Little Hours of the BVM daily. (Not all of them and not the same ones, it depends on the time available and time of day) and also pray my Rosary daily. <br /><br />I rarely attend Mass at my local church as it is horrid, no chant, no Latin, no tradiditional hymns, lay people givng out the Blessed Sacrament into the hand. I am sure that you will know what I mean. It also means that our faithful departed who died for the old ways in the years of<br /> persecution in England Scotland Ireland and Wales died for nothing, to say nothing of those who died in Europe for the Faith during the Religious Wars and persecutions.<br /><br /> As I have mobility problems I cannot easily get to St. Joseph and St. Padarn in Holloway for the Latin Mass (Tridentine Rite). I do not like the Novus Ordo. <br /><br /> I pray at home in private, but it is lonely as my partner is a lapsed anglican and we have nothing in common religiously. <br /><br />As far as I am concerned all religions are like roads, but only one leads to salvation. Aftere all,<br /> if you wish to go to Edinburgh you take the A1, not the A2. They are both roads with different destinations. Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Light..." and "Thou art Peter and on this rock I will build My church..." Therefore there is only one true way, that of Catholicism.<br /><br /> I feel that because of all the changes over the last forty years that the Church now has real problems, and by trying to be more "inclusive" has become more "exclusive" and has driven many away.  The old ways represented history, beauty, continuity and tradition. Now it seems<br /> that the Church is rudderless in a sea of doubt and relativism.<br /><br /> I do not despair, though, firstly as it is a sin against the Holy Spirit and secondly because I think, and pray to St. Athanasius. This gives me strength.<br /><br />As to being gay and Catholic I say this. Did not St John say in I:3v21 Dearly beloved, if our heart do not reprehend us, we have confidence toward God (Carissimi, si cor nostrum non reprehenderit nos, fiduciam habemus ad Deum) Which I have always taken to mean that if you do not have guilt before God, he will not condemn you. <br /><br />How can I feel guilty about being gay? I love my partner and he loves me. We nurture and<br /> protect each other and are faithful to each other. God made me as I am and like all Catholics everywhere, we must get on with life, thanking God as we go!]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[Trip to Avebury]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[David and I visted Avebury and its stone circle yesterday, on our way back from his yearly cancer check-up in Bristol - he's OK.  It was a beautiful day<br /><br />We stayed overnight at the Red Lion Inn - reputedly one of the most haunted buildings in England.<br /><br />No ghosts and a fairly good night's sleep!<br />]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:52:05 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Video about my book]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;videoid=17033202"> Check out this video: New Skins for Old Wine: Platos Wisdom for Todays World</a> <br /> <br />  <embed src="http://lads.myspace.com/videos/vplayer.swf" flashvars="m=17033202&amp;type=video&amp;v=2" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" height="386" width="480" allowScriptAccess="none">  <br /> <br />  </embed>]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:37:05 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Catholic Bishop admits that he cannot justify official teaching on &quot;gay marriage&quot;.]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Dear All,<br />  <br />           at last an admission:<br />  <br />  	  	  		 <div style="margin-left:40px; color:rgb(128, 0, 0); ">Bishop Ruben Oscar Frassia of Avellaneda in Argentina expressed dismay this week that many say “the family matters” but then consider gay unions to be equivalent to traditional marriage when that is not the case.</div>  <p style="margin-left:40px; color:rgb(128, 0, 0); ">Lamenting that same-sex couples have become more prevalent and that the mentality of many is that these unions and traditional marriage “are the same,” Bishop Frassia responded that “in no way are they the same, because they do not conform to natural law,” which “is not dependent upon the whims of the moment and of life.”</p>  <p style="margin-left:80px; color:rgb(191, 95, 0); ">“What do you want me to say? <span style="color:rgb(255, 0, 0); ">I really don’t understand it, I don’t understand. I can see why but I can’t justify it. </span> And they want to put it on the same level, they want to make it equal,” the bishop said during a recent radio program.</p>  A bishop has effectively said that the hierarchy's position is prejudice!<br />  <br />  Its proponents claim to "see" that what they say is true, even though they "don't understand" and "cannot justify" their claims!<br />  <br />  Amazing!  Deo Gratias!<br />  <br />              Stephen]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:50:41 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[The Gay Conspiracy]]></title>
<link>http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-D1YV2Lshc6f3nv6N3j6b?p=509</link>
<description><![CDATA[Glasgow, Mar. 13, 2008 (CWNews.com) - <br />    <br />    <div style="margin-left:40px; ">An outspoken Scottish Catholic bishop has stirred controversy by charging that homosexual activists are engaged in a "huge and well orchestrated conspiracy" to undermine Christian beliefs.<br />   <br />   Bishop Joseph Devine of Motherwell - who has been no stranger to controversy in the past - told an audience at St. Aloysius College in Glasgow that Christians "neglect the gay movement at our peril." In a campus lecture on March 11 he said that homosexual activists have worked steadily to change public attitudes, while Christians have failed to uphold their principles. "The opposition know exactly what they're doing," the bishop said. "We don't."<br />   <br />   Pressure for social change, Bishop Devine said, "was bound to result in state-sponsored morality at war with Christian values." Exhorting Christians to join in the cultural battle, he said: "We must resist being corrupted by secularism." <br />   <br />   </div>  This is simply incredible.<br />    <br />    For centuries society has systematically persecuted gay-folk in the name of "morality" or "family values". Now that the secular consensus is against the irrational views of the Catholic hierarchy, they complain that their "principles" [actually, no more than fear, disdain and hatred!] are under attack by a non-existent conspiracy.<br />    <br />    The "Christian beliefs" at issue here are never even hinted at by Our Blessed Lord, in fact He is pretty antagonistic to most of them - if truth be told. Secularism is a great evil, but so is the marginalisation, denegration and persecution of gay-folk!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <div style="margin-left:40px; ">Sent to "chancellor@rcdom.org.uk"<br /> <br /> <br /> Sir,<br /> <br />       writing as a Catholic I wish to protest in the most strong terms the intemperate, scaremongering, ignorant, un-Catholic and indeed wicked remarks recently made by Bishop Devine regarding a "gay conspiracy" etc.<br /> <br /> If His Grace cannot speak words of wisdom and love, then he should not speak at all. I am ashamed to be associated with him and entirely repudiate his attitude and words.<br /> <br /> Please pass on my admonition to His Grace.<br /> <br /> Stephen Lovatt PhD PGCE MA(Cantab)<br /> </div>]]></description>
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<title><![CDATA[The Gay Conspiracy]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Glasgow, Mar. 13, 2008 (CWNews.com) - <br /><br /><div style="margin-left:40px; ">An outspoken Scottish Catholic bishop has stirred controversy by charging that homosexual activists are engaged in a "huge and well orchestrated conspiracy" to undermine Christian beliefs.<br /><br />Bishop Joseph Devine of Motherwell - who has been no stranger to controversy in the past - told an audience at St. Aloysius College in Glasgow that Christians "neglect the gay movement at our peril." In a campus lecture on March 11 he said that homosexual activists have worked steadily to change public attitudes, while Christians have failed to uphold their principles. "The opposition know exactly what they're doing," the bishop said. "We don't."<br /><br />Pressure for social change, Bishop Devine said, "was bound to result in state-sponsored morality at war with Christian values." Exhorting Christians to join in the cultural battle, he said: "We must resist being corrupted by secularism." <br /><br /></div>This is simply incredible.<br /><br />For centuries society has systematically persecuted gay-folk in the name of "morality" or "family values". Now that the secular consensus is against the irrational views of the Catholic hierarchy, they complain that their "principles" [actually, no more than fear, disdain and hatred!] are under attack by a non-existent conspiracy.<br /><br />The "Christian beliefs" at issue here are never even hinted at by Our Blessed Lord, in fact He is pretty antagonistic to most of them - if truth be told. Secularism is a great evil, but so is the marginalisation, denegration and persecution of gay-folk!<br />]]></description>
<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:02:20 GMT</pubDate>
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