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My name is Kris. I am a new Right Wing Libertarian who is concerned about illegal immigration.

Illegal Immigration: Not a Race Issue

At the university where I go there are a few signs that have been put up for a sort of benefit which say that the border is a representation of racism and xenephobia.

I have heared so many people call ¨RACISM!! RACISM¨ that I no longer take them as seriously now as before. Hell, I mostly just dismiss them as wacko race baiters, which they are.

There is no doubt that racism continues to be a problem and that an issue like illegal immigration will atract racists on both sides of the debate. But all the same, this isn´t a race issue because being an illegal immigrant has nothing to do with race itself. And saying that it does not say much for illegal immigrants from Canada and Europe who I believe should be deported as well. -- There´s just more of a fuss over Mexicans and Latin Americans because the vast majority if illegal aliens are from south of the border.

Racism is regretable, but that doesn´t mean that I am on the wrong side of the debate. In fact, I have seen racism on the pro-illegal immigrant side as well. Examples of a racist hate group on the pro-illegal immigrant side is the National Council of La Raza, and also the Mexica Movement. (Personally, sometimes I would like those two groups to go head-to-head with the Ku Klux Klan and the Neo-Nazi party until the four of them disappeared. --- Regretably, that´s not going to happen anytime soon.)

In my case, the best proof that this isn´t a race issue is because I live in Mexico currently of my own free will. --- If I was a xenophobe, this would be really rough therapy for me. And if I were a racist then this would be shock treatment. I wouldn´t have lived in Mexico for the last two and a half years of my own free will. My mother and girlfriend are Mexican. So there is more reason for me not to hate Mexicans.

And I am not a self-hating Mexican either. I´m actually proud of where I come from. I love America, but like Mexico.

As I said earlier, this issue will attract racist, but that is not an indicator that I am wrong on this issue. It doesn´t mean I should shut up about it either. But I do see it as necessary to separate myself from racist comments and rightfully say that someone can be against the illegal invasion without being racist.

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Tuesday October 2, 2007 - 03:18pm (PDT) Permanent Link | 3 Comments
As an anti-illegal immigration Libertarian
As an anti-illegal immigration Libertarian magnify

I'm going to start off by saying "Libertarians like immigration." --- That is true in my case to. But my opinion on immigration has been affected by my immigrant mom and also by info which you can find in my pervious posts.

I am going to mention that many Libertarians are advicates for open immigration. ---- I'm going to just spit it out and say that I would personally like to have open immigration to. ---- But I also have to mention that,as things are now, it is not possible.

What I mean is: Even though the thought of open immigration in itself is appealing to me, one should also take into account the large masive use of social programs illegal and lowed skilled immigrants use, at the tax payers expence.

The truth of the matter is, even though open immigration is appealing to your avarage Libertarian, that Libertarian would also dispise the social programs that low skilled immigrants, and many illegal immigrants, use. --- He should remember that allowing open immigration, which whould include many uneducated immigrants in the country, would inevitably cause taxes to rise on American tax payers because of those government programs. --- What those low skilled and illegl immigrants don't pay to compensate for those services is, in turn, taken from tax payers. (This, of course, is another thing a Libertarian should take into account. We hate those social services and taxes that we should not have to be paying in the first place.)

Open immigration and legalizing illegal immigrants would be a fiscal disaster for the U.S. tax payer, as the system would be now. --- Putting it in this perspective, I do not see my oposition to illegal immigration (and open borders at this point) as un-Libertarian.

My stance it: Get rid of those social services and I may consider open borders. But not until then. --- Having open borders now, while we have many of those programs, potentially leads to a socialistic system. --- Explanation: Low skilled immigrants can't pay for services, therefore you will. (Libertarians are anti-Socialist.)

We detest many government programs. However, immigration, no matter how open it is, or how it is reformed, will not cease to be another government program. --- Even with open immigration it can never stop being a government program because we still will have to know who comes in the country and also who is a citizen, or if someone is a terrorist.

So, based on this, I would suggest that other Libertarians consider a position against illegal immigration and open immigration while, at the present, the results of allowing it would be very un-Libertarian.

So I see my position as the most Libertarian of the two.

Did I make a good case on why a good Libertarian can be against illegal immigration as things are?
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Wednesday August 1, 2007 - 03:06am (PDT) Permanent Link | 2 Comments
Arizona says "NO" to Illegal Immigration
A report done by the Federation for American Immigration Reform says that illegal immigration costs Arizona tax payers $1.3 billion a year. --- That is, $810 million for the education of illegal immigrant children and anchor babies, $400 million for uncompensated health care, and $80 million for the incarceration of illegal immigrants. --- It is estimated that the tax payments of illegal immigrants are worth $257 million a year, bringing the net cost to Arizona tax payers to still more than $1 billion annually.

This report was based on an even older study done by the Urban Institute, which was done in 1994.


The Associated Press reported that the state of Arizona is the biggest port of entry used by illegitimate immigrants. Also, it mentions that the state residents were angry and frustrated because of the illegal immigrant flow. --- It says that 2005 was a year when people were really paying attention to what was happening.


Janet Napolitano, the governor, then sent a bill to the federal government demanding reimbursement for uncompensated costs for incarcerated illegitimate aliens. Also she signed a law authorizing local police to arrest those who smuggle them across the border, but didn’t provide the money for the police.


More recently, the state has just taken steps that would bring down the cost of illegal immigrants to the state tax payers.


The governor has signed a law that would put companies out of business if they hired them. Now, many of the illegitimate immigrants are reported to be bracing themselves for unemployment because of employers who don’t want to lose their businesses. It also turns out that a lot of people are planning to leave the state for others, however it may not be so easy for them because other states are planning on following Arizona’s example.



In response to this new law, Elias Bermudez (the leader of Immigrants without Borders) decided to flex the virtually almost non-existent economic muscle of illegal immigrants, considering a work stoppage.


Arizonans finally decided they have had enough, and I salute them. And I hope that other states follow very soon.




SOURCES:

Federation for American Immigration Reform. The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Arizonans.
http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/azcosts2.pdf?docID=101

Arizona Republic. Arizonans stayed worried about illegal immigration.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0103illegalimmigration03.html

Arizona Republic. Employer sanctions force some migrants to weigh leaving Az.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/56604.php
Saturday July 14, 2007 - 12:28am (PDT) Permanent Link | 1 Comment
Economic contribution of Illegal Aliens, Trivial at best
There is debate on whether the economic impact of illegal immigrants is all that important. Their supporters insist that their contribution to the economy is essential and it would fall without them.


A study done by the Center for American Progress (a liberal think tank) on the cost of deporting illegals insists near the end of the study that deportation would cause a shock to the economy because of the instant loss of illegal labor. --- That said, this study cites another study from the American Immigration Law Foundation (CPS) when it makes that statement.


However, having read the second mentioned study myself, it only talks about the contributions of the “foreign-born” and not necessarily illegal immigrants themselves. At one point it does mention in passing that the Undocumented immigrants contribute, but it never gives any statistics as to how much.


Also, it mentions the estimate that legal immigrants would contribute $407 billion to Social Security over fifty years after 2005. --- It is true that low skilled legal immigrants do in fact contribute to Social Security, however a study done by the Heritage Foundation shows that low skilled immigrants (60% legal and 40% illegal together on average) contribute, on average, $2,900. But the benefits they receive exceed the FICA taxes they pay. --- Another study done by the Center for Immigration Studies says that Illegal Immigrants contribute $7 billion a year to Social Security, but take more than they contribute because of government services they use. --- Based on this, it would be a huge mistake to say that illegal immigrants, or all low skilled immigrants, are a net gain because of Social Security contributions.



The impact of illegal aliens isn’t what most people on either side of the debate imagine. --- Many on my side insist that they are an all out economic drain, while the illegal apologists insist that the economy would fall if it weren’t for illegal labor. --- The truth seems to be that the actual impact to the economy seems to actually be trivial.



One economic benefit because of low-paid illegal labor is that prices get driven down. --- But what so many illegal apologists neglect to mention is the actual price impact of the products they produce. --- I’ve heard it said that if it weren’t for illegal labor then I would pay $10.00 for a bushel of fruit. --- Well, this is an exaggeration.



According to an article in the Seattle Times, written by Business Reporter Drew DeSilver, the impact of prices because of illegal labor is actually miniscule. --- He says that if all illegal workers disappeared and the wages of legal workers rose by 40% as a result, then the price of a pound of apples would only rise by less than 3 cents.



Also, Harvard Professor and economist George Borjas found that increasing the labor force through immigration lowered wages on an average of 3.7%. --- He found that, for high school drop outs, they were lowered by 7.4% because of immigration. He then concludes that if illegal immigrant workers were just as low-skilled as their legal counterparts, then illegals would be responsible for half of that particular loss. But if their skills were yet lower than the low-skilled legal immigrants, then they are responsible for even more of the wage loss of high school dropouts.



One study I read says that the actual gains and losses to the economy don’t appear to be to be huge. Also, what interested me most was this line: “Perhaps the only thing that can be said with certainty about immigration’s economic impact is in identifying its main beneficiaries: They are the immigrants themselves.” It appears from this that they are their own main beneficiaries, hence they pay mostly for themselves, not for us. --- This idea is backed up by the Heritage Foundation which says that low-skilled immigrants (both legal and illegal) add to the economic pie, but they eat up most of what they add. ---However, my purpose is to talk about the economic impact of the illegal immigrants themselves.


Adam Davidson, business correspondent for National Public Radio, says that illegal immigrants have both positive and negative impacts on the economy. He also mentions that most economiste believe that they give only a very small net benefit to American wealth (less than 1%). --- Then he says that the economic impact of illegal immigration is much smaller than other trends in the economy.


Edwin S. Rubenstein, the president of the ESR Research Economic Consultants of Indianapolis sarcastically says, “Everyone knows the economy needs illegal alien labor, except economists. They think its contribution if fairly trivial.” --- He then points out that the U.S. economy is extremely large, pumping in an average of $11 trillion a year, and that there are thousands of factors that influence economic growth. --- Adam Davidson mentions some of these factors, such as the “increase of automation use in manufacturing, or the growth in global trade” saying that these two factors “have a much bigger impact on wages, prices and the health of the U.S. economy.”


Rubenstein adds that illegal immigrants make about 1% of the GDP, but that this doesn’t account lost wages, displaced native workers, substantial payments from U.S. taxpayers to illegals for education and welfare for anchor babies, and definitely not for emergency room care.


He also admits that there may be a job shortage in certain areas if illegal labor were to disappear, but both he and Davidson say that employers can invest in technology to get these jobs done, if in fact, nobody wants to do them.


Reubenstein says that people would fuss over a lack of illegal labor, but the worst the economy would go through would only be a hiccup, as he puts it. Also it would lead to higher wages . But then adds that the American people would be better off.


Even economist, Howard Baetjer, who supports open borders says, “It is incorrect to think that illegal immigration as such is beneficial to the economy. It is better than no immigration at all, but compared to free immigration, it is worse.”





SOURCES:

Center for American Progress. Deporting the Undocumented,
http://www.americanprogress.org/kf/deporting_the_undocumented.pdf

American Immigration Law Foundation. The Economics of Necessity: Economic Report of the President underscores the importance of immigration.
http://www.ailf.org/ipc/economicsofnecessity.asp

Heritage Foundation. The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayer.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/sr14.cfm

Center for Immigration Studies. The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget.
http://cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.pdf

Seattle Times. Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003265139_imprices19.html

Center for Immigration Studies. Increasing the Supply of labor through Immigration: Measuring the Impact on Native-Born Workers.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back504.pdf

Region Focus. The [Illegal] Immigrant Effect: The economic impact of unauthorized migrants isn’t as big as you might think.
http://www.richmondfed.org/publications/economic_research/region_focus/summer_2006/pdf/feature1.pdf

National Public Radio. Q&A: Illegal Immigrants and the U.S. Economy.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5312900

VDARE.com. Illegals and the Economy.
http://vdare.com/rubenstein/illegals.htm

Foundation for Economic Education. An interesting intersection of the Minimum wage and illegal immigration.
http://www.fee.org/pdf/the-freeman/0703baetjer.pdf
Thursday July 12, 2007 - 03:01pm (PDT) Permanent Link | 2 Comments
The Cost of Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants

The senate has finished debating weather or not to give amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants without any concern with the fiscal consequences.

As I mentioned on an earlier blog, a certain study says that illegals cost the government $10.4 billion a year and that amnesty would triple it to about $29 billion.

The Boston Globe reports that George W. Bush had the portion on the amnesty bill which would require legalized illegals to pay back taxes removed. So this means that the deficit will go up for tax payers if this bill goes through. But the illegals will still have to pay $5,000 to apply for a green card. But this fee isn't supposed to make up for the taxes not paid.

This means that the estimated $45 billion net cost of illegal immigrants to tax payers, as estimated by the Federation for American Immigration Reform would not be as low. It would go up to $70 billion, at the very least, because the taxes that illegals pay to the local, state, and federal governments would no longer go to offsetting the cost. Not to mention the extra $10 billion of indirect costs.

The new amnesty bill is no better.

The Heritage Foundation has just released a new study that says that the new bill would cost U.S. tax payers at least $2.6 trillion in total over long time costs.

This report takes into account that not all of the 10 million adults given amnesty would reach retirement age to be eligible for their new entitlements. Based on mortality rates, it estimated that 8.5 million persons would reach the necessary age of 67 and reap retirement benefits. --- Each of them would probably live for another 18 years, average. The net cost to tax payers would be $17,000 per elderly individual per year. --- So the final cost would be $306,000 per elderly person for the rest of his life. Multiplying this by the 8.5 million legalized illegals is $2.6 trillion.

Fox News just reported that this bill failed on June 7, 2007. However, Harry Reid insisted that the bill wouldn’t be dead for a year.

The Washington Post reported that George W. Bush urged the senate Republicans to resurrect the bill. However, they insisted that Bush do more to secure the border. Republican Alabama senator, Jeff Sessions said that they are off the bill and should stay off for a while. --- Fortunately, Bush failed to win any allies.

Based on the affect of amnesty to taxpayers, as estimated by the Heritage Foundation and Bush’s insistence that an amnesty be passed, I think it is time to call the President’s credentials as a tax cutter into question.

It should also be mentioned that the study from the Heritage Foundation uses conservative estimates of the illegal immigration population. Some estimates say that the illegal population is actually higher. --- A Bear Stearns report estimates that there are 20 million illegal immigrants. If this estimate is right then the cost of amnesty would actually be much higher than estimated.

I guess Bush isn't interested in tax breaks.





SOURCES:

Center for Immigration Studies, The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.pdf

Boston Globe, Bush removes provision requiring back taxes from illegal immigrants.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/05/19/bush_removes_provision_requiring_back_taxes_from_illegal_immigrants/

Federation for American Immigration Reform, The Estimated Cost of Illegal Immigration. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersf134

Heritage Foundation, Amnesty Will Cost U.S. Taxpayers at least $2.6 Trillion.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/upload/wm_1490.pdf

Fox News, Immigration Bill fails in Senate.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,279213,00.html

Washington Post, Senators Unmoved by Bush to Save Immigration Bill.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/12/AR2007061200151_pf.html

Bear Stearns, The Underground Labor Force Is Rising to the Surface.
http://www.bearstearns.com/bscportal/pdfs/underground.pdf
Knowing that Bush is pushing for an amnesty that will raise taxes, can we doubt he wants tax cuts?
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