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Mayan Calendar - 2012 Doomsday ?
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Well like I had always suspected this is another of those nutty stories that some greedy slimy people, are using to make money......and helping to create dumber humans.

Any fan of space and science (not astrology, but astronomy) should be expected to understand that the world ending in 2012 is about as likely as a quick economic recovery.

Here is some good reading below I found at the above web site.


beskeptical
19-April-2003, 10:38 AM
From the dgruss23's link above:

"Popular for the millennia prior to the 1830s, is the more obvious idea of catastrophism. Unfortunately it has been discounted by modern scientific techniques, which require processes to be recreated in a laboratory, or at least viewed in nature within a recent timeframe. The art of making educated guesses based on the physical remnants of ancient disasters is no longer acceptable."

Seems when science doesn't find the evidence to support claims, the believer of those claims rationalizes that the science is old, rigid, unwilling to look at the discoveries the believer thinks he/she has looked at. "Viewed in nature within a recent timeframe"? Does that mean more than 5 billion years ago? Certainly this guy isn't counting the theory of how the Moon hit the Earth, several known mass extinctions, recurrent ice ages, supervolcanoes, or asteroid impacts. The fact that the evidence shows pole reversals to be benign must just be that scientists are unwilling to 'believe'.

The myth of the Mayan calendar showing the world is re-created every 400 and how many or so years is one of those supposed 'real' things because the Mayan society was devastated by the European invasion about the same time as the predicted event.

But think about it. The world was not destroyed and recreated. Only the Mayan society. There is no evidence it happened 400 and however many years before Cortez or 400 and however many years before that. It's an interesting story but it does not hold up to scrutney.

Rift
19-April-2003, 01:49 PM
Just a tiny nit-picking pet peeve- The mayan calander does NOT end in 2012. It just rolls over. Sure, the long count comes to an end, and the mayans believed many bad things might happen, BUT on December 22, 2012 a new long count begins. It's very similar to what happened in 2000 in the gegorian calander (in more ways then one)

2012 is shaping up to be the next big end of the world (non) event. ::sigh::

And the bad news is we have 9 long years to listen to horse manure from people selling books, videos, blah blah blah ::double sigh::

TriangleMan
19-April-2003, 03:43 PM
Oh man, I get the feeling we're going to be hearing from '2012 Doomsayers' for the next nine years :( It doesn't help that the Mayan's picture-writings leaves itself open to gross misinterpretation by those looking for impending doom.

Maybe we should get a jump on this right now. Does anyone live near a university with a Mayan archaelolgy department? Maybe we can ask a professor to give us a brief FAQ about 2012 to use in debunking the doomsayers that shall inevitably appear soon.

Rift
19-April-2003, 11:31 PM
Its a pretty remarkable calendar.

It's an amazing Calendar.

One point that the 2012 people seem to leave out is that the longest unit of time in the mayan calendar (and I believe the longest unit of time in ANY calendar) is some 60 million years long, the alautun. Why have a unit of time that long if you thought the universe was gonna end in 2012???

Another thing they forget is that the mayans, and the aztecs, thought that all kinds of horrible things would happen, and the universe might end every 52 years unless certain rites were performed. Those rites haven't been performed for 500 years and we are still here...

Vermonter
20-April-2003, 08:03 PM
I read the first article...and while I am impressed at the research and ingenuity of the Mayans, I do not think this heralds the end of the world.

As Rift pointed out, the calendar rolls over, not ends.

And besides, if there were any cataclysm that would strike the Mayans, it would be localised within their region.

The doomsayers of 2012 can rant and rave of what they want, but we ain't dead yet from mythological disasters.

Perhaps on the solstice of 2012, I'll look outside and watch the skies, but without a hardhat.

~Josh

Tuesday May 5, 2009 - 10:58pm (PDT) Permanent Link | 1 Comment
Pakistans and Indias new nightmare

Kashmir is just east of Pakistan and is a highly fought over and disputed territory. Pakistan and India have waged war against each other in this region for decades. It is a mountainous area with little infrastructure. The Pakistan government has used Pashtun Taliban warriors to do most of the work in Kashmir. Today Pakistan controls the North half of Kashmir and India the South half. Presently there are no real boarders between Pakistan, Kashmir, and north or south Kashmir. The boarder change daily.

So why am I talking about Kashmir? What is their new nightmare?

Obama announced today that he would work to settle the dispute on Kashmir and then Pakistan would not need so many troops in Kashmir and could use those troops to attack the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the Paki NWFP. Sounds like a nice idea, eh ?

The Problem is Pakistan uses Taliban warriors in Kashmir to do most of the fighting and the governance. So instead of getting Pakistan’s military out of Kashmir (which won't happen) Obama will have a nice surprise of some additional ticked of Taliban tribes to deal with in NWFP and Afghanistan.

World War 3 here we come.

India and Pakistan both have nukes and have come very close, on several occasions, to using these weapons of mass destruction against each other. India has had a friend in President Bush and so did China. But it appears the honeymoon is over. India and Pakistan response to Obama’s remarks regarding Kashmir went something like this "stay out of it".

Ignorance and Arrogance = Obama

Found at ThinkRational.org

http://thinkrational.org/blog/archives/2007/12/oh_pakistan.html

"If you drag your google maps to the region where Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, and China blur together. You'll see a mess of dotted lines that guestimates the region I'm taking about. Maybe Osama in there. We know the Taliban and al Qaeda are there. Pakistan is blocking our troops from going there. And after this week, democracy is not going there either. Following the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, my prediction for the winter is that there will be no elections in Pakistan and the military will reinforce martial law."

Also if you want to see some excellent info onthis subject search the State Department and CIA Fact Book reports about Kashmir.

Tags: afghanistan, pakistan, india, nwfp, obama, mistakes, arrogance, ignorance
Thursday November 6, 2008 - 07:46pm (PST) Permanent Link | 1 Comment
Media mistakes RE: Basra, Iraq, and the Brits
Media mistakes RE: Basra, Iraq, and the Brits magnify

On the home front in the United States and in Briton there is an ignorance that is spreading and growing. The public, and at times world perspective, is shaped by 15 second sound bytes. Most use some catchy headline that twists or misrepresents the true story.

But when the News gets it "Wrong", why don't we see the same vigor to correct the issue? The facts are of much more interest to me....

Basra is one of these situations.

I hope you will read Michael Yon's latest dispatch "Men of Valor" - part V

Here is a portion of his latest dispatch from the front lines of Iraq:
(there are also a lot of pictures from Basra on Michael's web site)

"......By the time I arrived on my latest trip to Basra on 26 September, the “Honor Agreement” was holding fast. So much so that in September—when the mainstream media was consistently reporting that the place was “in chaos”—the violence in Basra had actually fallen off the screen. Mortar and rocket attacks still occurred, but infrequently and with no military relevance. There was a brief attack at the Basra Airport on 8 October during which I had to lie flat for just a few minutes, and a few other minor attacks where I had to lie down, but this is in sharp contrast to the attacks earlier this year where it was common to lie flat more than a half-dozen times per day, every day......MY"

The News has consistently reported Basra as a city in chaos, with a strong al Qaeda safe haven. The News has convinced people that the al Qaeda Concurred the British troops, and that the Brits are in full retreat.

The reality is the Brits changed strategy. They focused on training the new Iraqi police and Army units. But most important is they worked with the local population, and listened to the needs and wishes of the people of Basra.

The Brits have not fled, they moved. The Brits moved because they were in a place know locally as "Basra Palace". I have read about some of the very aggressive and at times large scale attacks that would come from any direction. But instead of being a target in the center of the city they negotiated settlements with local leaders. they moved to an area that was agreed upon by local government, etc. The Brits are seen as the mediators that can settle disputes between local forces.

Michael mentioned: "Basra was a veritable Hatfield-and-McCoy situation; dysfunctionally functioning."

This is an interesting an insightful observation. Basra like any town has long unsettled disputes. I have read many stories of local disputes that resulted in attacks between old local enemies. Often I have read stories of locals that try to get coalition forces to attack a rival tribe or group of people. I have seen disputes over a goat several times. Also brides who changed their minds or had been forced into marrage. These are disputes we can not resolve. The Iraqis have been and will be the ones who settle their internal disputes.

I have a little saying I have learned from my many travels:

"People who live in cities think that people who live in the outskirts are hicks or backwards, people who live in the outskirts think people who live in cities would have to be nuts to live in such a chaotic unconnected environment. This is true for all nations."

It is something that has always fascinated me. I was lucky enough to travel A LOT every since I was a toddler. That little saying is of course a generalization. I don't think it is a true view for all people in either position. But when you get to the heart of those populations, weather it be city or outskirt, it is clear that the community revolves around leaders who do firmly believe their way of life is better.

The fact is Basra is not some outskirt city in London or New York, Basra is Basra. The best thing our military and political strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan is doin now, is to work with the people, not try and change them.

Violence is down 70% in Basra. Al Qaeda is seen as the Devil, the Brits are respected by the locals, and the News is still reporting that al Qaeda is rising?

Does anyone actually believe the Media anymore?

Let’s take a look at the problem. Our news was once first hand from reporters in the field. All the major News papers after WW2 had always had personnel year round in the Middle East. Television would get their news from the newspapers and independent sources grew as TV grew. Then the internet came along one day. Well that was when it started to change. Also large publishers which were once independent family owned entities became corporate giants. Gone was the day of the newspaper man. last I heard around early 2007 was only one major newpapper still had a full time presence in the middle east. Yet I believe it was only one reporter at times (especially in the hot summers - which is also the time when the enemy is most active). The fact is most of today’s so called "News" comes from what are referred to in the industry as "stringers".

OK I just looked up Iraqi stringers and found a article titled "Myths of Iraq"

here is a portion of the Article by By Ralph Peters

"The dangerous nature of journalism in Iraq has created a new phenomenon, the all-powerful local stringer. Unwilling to stray too far from secure facilities and their bodyguards, reporters rely heavily on Iraqi assistance in gathering news. And Iraqi stringers, some of whom have their own political agendas, long ago figured out that Americans prefer bad news to good news. The Iraqi leg-men earn blood money for unbalanced, often-hysterical claims, while the Journalism 101 rule of seeking confirmation from a second source has been discarded in the pathetic race for headlines......"

Terrorist have been waging a Propaganda War and the News is making money off it. Let's change that...

Tags: blackwatch, basra, afghanistan, pakistan, iraq, al, qaeda, iraqi, frontlines, mediaslants
Monday January 7, 2008 - 04:43pm (PST) Permanent Link
Iraqi Air Force (IQAF)
Iraqi Air Force (IQAF) magnify

C-130E Hercules

The Iraqi Air Force (IQAF) is being rebuilt as part of the overall program to build a new Iraqi defense force. In December 2004, the Iraqi ministry of defense signed two contracts worth 132 million USD. The IQAF is scheduled to be expanded to 3,000 personnel by early 2008.

The Air Force primarily serves as a light reconnaissance and transport operation. On March 4, 2007, the IQAF carried out its first medical evacuation in the city of Baghdad when an injured police officer was airlifted to a hospital.

In 2007, the USAF’s Second Air Force, part of the Air Education and Training Command, was given responsibility to provide curricula and advice to the Iraqi Air Force as it stands up its own technical training and branch specific basic training among others. This mission is known as "CAFTT" for Coalition Air Forces Technical Training.

Serbia will deliver 35 training propeller airplanes of domestic production Lasta-95 to Iraq.

It will be interesting to see is Iraq will incorporate UAVs into their Air Force. I think it is more likely in near future that they will adopt the use of small observational UAVs like the US Raven. However these small UAVs tend to be more effective when directly incorporated into Army units. – Ian Bach.

Active Squadrons

Aircraft inventory

Aircraft

Origin

Type

Versions

In service

Notes

Cessna 172

United States

utility

18

to be delivered in 2007

Bell UH-1H Iroquois

United States

light-lift utility helicopter

Huey II

16

Bell 206 JetRanger

United States

utility helicopter

5

Jordan Aerospace SAMA CH2000

Jordan

liaison

CH2000

8

8 more to be delivered

Lockheed C-130 Hercules

United States

tactical airlift/ transport

C-130E

3

Mil Mi-17 Hip-H

Soviet Union/ Russia

medium-lift transport helicopter

Mi-171


Mi-17-1V

4


4

Beechcraft King Air 350

United States

surveillance and reconnaissance

350ER

0

24 on order

Seabird Seeker

Australia

reconnaissance

SB7L-360A

2

currently grounded

The Clash - London Calling

UH-1H "Hueys" being assembled in Iraq

Unknowns

The following is a list of several pre-war types that have been reported on inventory or in storage. The condition of the following airplanes is relatively unknown. Most of these are likely to currently be non-operational. Many of these are still in production and should be able to be refurbished.

Tags: iraq, iraqi, air, force, iqaf, 2007, 2008, c-130, uh-1h, hueys
Friday January 4, 2008 - 01:09am (PST) Permanent Link
NPR : Charlie Wilson Still Wants to Fix Afghanistan

[3 min 57 sec] Listen Now

December 28, 2007 · Former Sen. Charles Wilson's efforts to help the Afghans defeat the Soviets in the 1980s are featured in the new film Charlie Wilson's War. Charlie Wilson is still agitated about the situation in Afghanistan and shares his thoughts on how to improve it.

Tags: afghanitsan, charlie, wilsons, war, npr
Saturday December 29, 2007 - 05:42pm (PST) Permanent Link

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